Politics
Liam O'Dell
Feb 10, 2023
BBC
It should not be news to you that Private Eye editor Ian Hislop is quite the legend when it comes to shutting down Tory MPs who decide to peddle nonsensical arguments.
Previous comments have included him calling on the entire Conservative Party to resign post-Partygate, perfectly explaining why people are “entitled to go on making the argument” if you lose a political vote, and telling MPs the public are “very sick of being taken for fools” as part of a committee inquiry into lobbying rules.
Yet there’s one particular intervention from the Have I Got News For You captain which has resurfaced this week, following remarks made about the death penalty by Ashfield MP Lee Anderson, who is the new deputy chairman of the Tory party.
Yes, really.
Mr Anderson – also known by the nickname ‘30p Lee’ for past comments on foodbank users – told The Spectator he would support capital punishment making a comeback because of its “100 per cent success rate”, and because “nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed”.
Innocent people executed under the death penalty didn’t commit a crime before they were executed either, Lee.
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Appearing to address this counterargument, Mr Anderson added: “Now I’d be very careful on [the return of the death penalty] because you’ll get certain groups saying, ‘you can never prove it’.
“Well, you can prove it if they have videoed it and are on camera, like the Lee Rigby killers. I mean, they should have gone, same week. I don’t want to pay for these people.”
Which brings us back to Mr Hislop, who back in 2011 took on Priti Patel – who of course, would later become home secretary – over her support for the return of the death penalty during a recording of the BBC panel show Question Time.
He told the audience at the time: “Large numbers of these cases have been found to be entirely wrong and the men convicted – almost always men, there’s a couple of women – have been found innocent.
“So you would have killed those people, and in some of those very high-profile cases which involve terrorism cases, you would have made very dangerous new martyrs by executing people who turned out not to have committed the murders involved.
“So on a purely practical basis, whatever you think it says about the civilised nature of your society or not, I think it would be incredibly dangerous to have capital punishment back.”
Invited to respond to Mr Hislop’s remarks, Ms Patel replied: “This is really about our criminal justice system, actually. For any conviction, for example, you need absolute burden of proof, you really do…”
In a classic display of his quick wit, the journalist chipped in: “You’re saying they were guilty, all these people?”
“No, I’m not saying they were guilty. Obviously, there were ‘not guilty’ cases,” Ms Patel said.
With a concerned expression on his face, Mr Hislop pressed further: “So they’d be dead?”
Trying once again to defend her argument, the Witham MP added: “The point is, as I said earlier on, this is about having deterrents. If you have strong deterrents of that nature…”
In a quick comeback, Mr Hislop pointed out: “It’s not a deterrent killing the wrong people.”
Mic dropped, and his stance is backed by Amnesty International as well, which acknowledges “scientists agree, by an overwhelming majority, that the death penalty has no deterrent effect” on preventing crimes from being committed.
And so with Mr Anderson being the latest Tory to bang the drum for bringing back capital punishment – which was outlawed permanently in the UK back in 1969 after it was suspended four years prior – Twitter users are sharing the interaction once more:
\u201cThe death penalty conversation seems to rear it\u2019s head every few years. Ian Hislop put it better on @bbcquestiontime than anyone else has \ud83d\udd25\n\n\u201d— Best for Britain (@Best for Britain) 1676019282
\u201cInstead of throwing more red meat to the foaming mouthed Tory faithful, death penalty advocate 30p Lee Anderson should watch this.\n\nIan Hislop destroying Priti Patel's support for capital punishment.\n\n"It's not a deterrent if you kill the wrong people."\n\nhttps://t.co/Dyf1AIl42e\u201d— Chris Shaw (@Chris Shaw) 1675934393
\u201cLooks like Ian Hislop now needs to school 30p Lee Anderson about the death penalty, like he did too Priti Patel on #bbcqt \n\nhttps://t.co/sRrm36sP9H\u201d— Haggis_UK \ud83c\uddec\ud83c\udde7 \ud83c\uddea\ud83c\uddfa (@Haggis_UK \ud83c\uddec\ud83c\udde7 \ud83c\uddea\ud83c\uddfa) 1675937957
\u201cTalking of executions and #leeanderson it made me think of this where Ian Hislop destroyed Priti Patel on the subject.\n\n"It's not a deterrent killing the wrong people"\n\n#ianhislop #pritipatel #deathpenalty\u201d— Brexit Fails (@Brexit Fails) 1675932774
\u201cIan Hislop is trending because no one forgets his demolition of the death penalty argument. But it also brings up all the other decent things he's said.\n\nDecent is so refreshingly uncommon isn't it?\u201d— Willshome \ud83d\udc9a Corbyn in my\u2764\ufe0f (@Willshome \ud83d\udc9a Corbyn in my\u2764\ufe0f) 1675931537
\u201c@BarristerSecret \u201cIt\u2019s not a deterrent if you kill the wrong person.\u201d - Ian Hislop.\u201d— The Secret Barrister (@The Secret Barrister) 1675928709
\u201c@BarristerSecret \u201cIt\u2019s not a deterrent if you kill the wrong person.\u201d - Ian Hislop.\u201d— The Secret Barrister (@The Secret Barrister) 1675928709
\u201cAs Ian Hislop once argued: It's not justice if you're killing the wrong people.\n\nhttps://t.co/bL8937eRqr\u201d— Femi (@Femi) 1675933229
\u201cApropos of nothing, here\u2019s Ian Hislop discussing the death penalty. https://t.co/A5qMBP5Owl\u201d— Alan White (@Alan White) 1675931292
We’re now waiting patiently for the day a Question Time episode between Lee Anderson and Ian Hislop takes place.
Make it happen, BBC.
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